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Therom
17-02-2010, 23:17
ok as you all noticed my computer SUCKS ASS! that's why i'm going to upgrade my computer next week. I want to ask you all if you have any advise of wich kind of components I should take. what i like for my computer is:
-Quad core (any advice for memory)
-1 to 2 Terabyte hdd
-Bridge to link 2 graphic cards (asus geforce 9800 gtx+)
any other stuff and advice is always welcome

Maloko
18-02-2010, 08:53
Quadcore with that ammounts of speed dont excist, if they do they are manually clocked in a way you and me never can... and ive never seen a consumer computer with 1 terabyte of memory.

Im not sure what your aiming for, but i recommend to do some homework first :D


If you want something topnotch, go look for a Intel i7 (pro) or AMD Phenom X4
And with 4 to 8 Gigabyte or Ram your safe for the next 5 years.
If you want to dual a 9800 GTX, make sure you look for a motherbord with 2 or 3 way SLI possibilitys...
Be aware a system like this is a heavy overload for wow, and if this is the only game you actually play.. your wasting money.

I myself running on a Q6600 (intel quadcore 2.4ghz), 4GB 800mhz Memory, ATI Radeon HD4870 1GB, Win7 64b and a Velociraptor Disk to speed up the I/O.
It all works like a charm, and im damn sure i can hold of another 3 years of gaming... all new titles i can play on max settings without any problems at all.

Myca
18-02-2010, 09:46
Wow.... 2TB memory.... I dont know where you are gonna get that... and what motherboard will support it.... but you got my vote! ;)

What I have:

Intel i5 750
4GB DDR3 memory
ATI HD 5850 1GB DDR5
3 TB HD space

Something like that :)

130 fps in raids :)

Therom
18-02-2010, 14:35
mmm I looked on what i wrote but i saw my mistakes yeah but i've edited it but WoW isn't the only game I play so i'm not wasting my money on a linked graphic card

Myca
18-02-2010, 14:59
Depends on what card you buy. If you buy a far cheaper 2x DX10 setup instead of a DX11 1 card setup... then its silly... you could later buy the second and then go dual. Plus the performance on DX 11 games (not yet released) will be alot better on the single one. (i got a single DX11 :))

Maloko
18-02-2010, 15:12
You want to custom build it or buy a prebuild computer?

Therom
18-02-2010, 17:35
well i made a stupit deal that I would finish my year of college and then I would buy a new computer since my mom is controling my cash atm kinda stupit but I convinced them that my computer need some new components

Pizza
18-02-2010, 18:25
well i made a stupit deal that I would finish my year of college and then I would buy a new computer since my mom is controling my cash atm kinda stupit but I convinced them that my computer need some new components

And what if your pc burns this evening (i hope it won't ofc :D), and you need a new one tomorrow, also for your college??

You w8 anyway six months? ^^

Noekoe
18-02-2010, 18:26
ill give you one tip. screw your 1 or 2 tb drive. buy either an SSD or a Raptor. This will greatly improve everything.

Turbulence
19-02-2010, 10:52
Maloko i will Defenetly need ure help in 1-2 months. u need to help me with getting a new pc. using a ADM athlon 64 atm with a. asus 8800gt graphic card. but seem to me the shit is getting wors by time.
my pc is getting old:p

Therom
19-02-2010, 13:58
have the same but that is why i post this and Maloko I found the AMD Phenom X4 but there is also AMD Phenom II X4 is that a better choice to take it with 4 g ram or higher?

Maloko
19-02-2010, 15:44
Both Identro and Turb, may i reccomend you guys to ask for Simple his help.
Simple is a hardware freak and hes definately the man you want when it comes to hardware advice. :D

@ Identro :

You can use that, but i'd check out the Intel i5 or i7 line.
May be a bit more pricey then the AMD's.. but its definately the line to follow for gaming.

And im confident that 4gb or Ram will give you a pleasent experience for the next few years, you can always upgrade to more if needed.

Noekoe
19-02-2010, 19:06
You can use that, but i'd check out the Intel i5 or i7 line.
May be a bit more pricey then the AMD's.. but its definately the line to follow for gaming.

And im confident that 4gb or Ram will give you a pleasent experience for the next few years, you can always upgrade to more if needed.

fyi Intel still sucks for gaming, they still have sucky memory controllers wich AMD dont have.

go AMD buy the Quad 9550 or so. Reall cheap bigass performance.

Maloko
20-02-2010, 08:22
fyi Intel still sucks for gaming, they still have sucky memory controllers wich AMD dont have.

go AMD buy the Quad 9550 or so. Reall cheap bigass performance.

http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/desktop-cpu-charts-q3-2008/Crysis-1680x1050,818.html

Benchmark on Crysis with all possiblew CPU's.

http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/desktop-cpu-charts-q3-2008/PCMark-Vantage-Gaming-Suite,814.html

3Dmark Gaming Suite Benchmark


Intel comes out on top, AMD's are all listen below the any Intels.
Infact, the I7 cores are nearly twice as fast as any AMD.
Bloomfield > all :D

For the main article ::
http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/desktop-cpu-charts-q3-2008/benchmarks,31.html

(Benchmarks on loads of apps and games)


The time AMD > Intel on gaming is passed already for a year (this benchmark is older then a year already) ;)

Therom
20-02-2010, 19:42
well i will let my computer rebuild at tuesday with Intel i7 soz Noe

Inslight
22-02-2010, 07:39
which i7 you going for?

Noekoe
22-02-2010, 19:26
http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/desktop-cpu-charts-q3-2008/Crysis-1680x1050,818.html

Benchmark on Crysis with all possiblew CPU's.

http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/desktop-cpu-charts-q3-2008/PCMark-Vantage-Gaming-Suite,814.html

3Dmark Gaming Suite Benchmark


Intel comes out on top, AMD's are all listen below the any Intels.
Infact, the I7 cores are nearly twice as fast as any AMD.
Bloomfield > all :D

For the main article ::
http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/desktop-cpu-charts-q3-2008/benchmarks,31.html

(Benchmarks on loads of apps and games)


The time AMD > Intel on gaming is passed already for a year (this benchmark is older then a year already) ;)

Ill try to explain a bit.

The way Intell CPU accesses memory is old and kinda sucks, hence the big cache they always have on thier CPU's. AMD CPU's are accessing memory on a total diff way. It is the next best thing so to say, you dont see AMD CPU's with bigass cache memory on them. This way you get way faster performance (specially with gaming). If you want to go deep in to this call Rob Buiskol from HP :)

Maloko
23-02-2010, 10:34
read up Bloomfield technology....

Like i said, your info was correct, 2 years ago.
Its slightly outdated now ;)

Currently Intel is using the Bloomfield Nahelem architecture, where before they used Conroe (iirc).
Bloomfield Nahelem is using triple channel memory in contrary to the previous cores, who used dualchannel, which brings them on equal terms of accessing memory with AMD (nearly 37Gb/s) , now when thats up par... wouldnt make the bigger ammounts of L1/L2/L3 Cache an advantadge in this case, instead of saying 'more cache is only used to compensate their lack of memory access' ?
Theres been alot more architectual improvements on the Bloomfield Nahelem core that put AMD in the dust on even more area's then just gaming, go do some extensive reasearch on it.
Even with the direct access memory technology (37GB/s) of AMD compared to the Hyperthread FSB of INTEL (32GB/s) being slightly faster, the Intel's Core architecture is so much more advanced that it leaves AMD in the dark on any front.

Id like to take your arguments in consideration, but give me some numbers, benchmarks, written opinions, user experiences.. as everything i learned from CPU's the last year from tons of reviews, benchmarks and user experiences just prove me the opposite of what this 1 HP man is telling you. :D
And no offense ofcourse.. but hes from HP.. thats not in anyway an AMD or Intel, their expertise is very different.. im not sure how a HP man in a Bussiness environment could convince me how an AMD CPU would be better for gaming ? :D
(HP has no market in the gaming industry at all, or its so few that it can be simply neglected)

Therom
23-02-2010, 12:25
well the new components are:
Asus P6T SE X58 DDR3
Intel Core i7-920 4X 2.66 ghz 8M
so it's all going nice but the bad part is that I will get my computer back at Friday:suspicious:

Myca
23-02-2010, 14:38
For future upgrade's the Socket 1366 might suck. Especially if you dont have much cash on you. Because that socket will be for the high end expensive market. The fact that they released a VERY low priced cpu for that socket is a weird choice by Intel. But you have to look in the future as well. Unless you want to do 7 years with a CPU and then upgrade your motherboard and cpu together again.